hearing with the chairman of the joint chiefs, general martin dempsey and secretary of defense, chuck hagel, got under way at about 9:30. two hours ago. we'll take you there live now until the house comes in at noon eastern. >> i presume you are talking about the 2005 base closing. which as you i'm sure know the focus on that and chairman levin knows this very well, was as much a reorganization as anything else. mr. hale, the comptroller, can give you specific numbers. but we are generating considerable savings today. and we will in the out years, from base closings. if i recall it's around $12 billion. is that a year? i think a year on savings, which we can document. we can show you that. the fact is, bottom line, senator, is that we cannot continue to afford to carry infrastructure that we don't need. i wish we could do it all. i wish we could keep every platform we have everywhere, but we can't do it all. it doesn't make sense making money away from infrastructure that we don't need. it's not relevant. it takes money away from what is relevant. our people, modernization, readiness.